WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.080 On the right hand of your chair you will find an interactive voting machine and we are going to 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:16.880 ask you before we start a number of questions to see where we stand before we kick off, 00:00:17.340 --> 00:00:23.980 before we actually have the debate. So if we could have the first question, we're going to do a 00:00:23.980 --> 00:00:29.600 couple of experimental questions that won't distort things just so we can work out that 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:32.600 We're all very happy with pressing the buttons in the right order 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:33.680 and the right occasion. 00:00:34.580 --> 00:00:40.320 So if you would like to vote now on how you got to the event today, 00:00:40.860 --> 00:00:43.660 we'll be able to see how these things work 00:00:43.660 --> 00:00:47.600 and we'll be able to see whether it actually does work. 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.600 So you have about 15 seconds. 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:51.660 She's in a one shot. 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.520 If you came by boat, bus and train, I'm afraid, the last one. 00:00:57.220 --> 00:00:59.100 You don't have to continue to press. 00:00:59.100 --> 00:01:12.928 No no just one straightforward press should deliver it but we be able to see quite shortly as to whether this is in fact true So we just have to wait a second and then we can have the answer now 00:01:14.248 --> 00:01:20.168 There we are. So most of you walked, that's not too surprising. We are in fact inviting those 00:01:20.168 --> 00:01:26.028 online to take part in this. You can vote as well online and that will be fed through to me 00:01:26.028 --> 00:01:34.388 a little later that appears to be working so why don't we then have a go at a question number two 00:01:34.388 --> 00:01:40.068 where have you traveled from I hope we get a nice spread but it could just as easily be 00:01:40.788 --> 00:01:48.208 parts of London so if you'd like to press the button now and we get a reasonable idea about 00:01:48.208 --> 00:01:53.308 how that works you can see we have the full 15 seconds that doesn't mean to say that it stops 00:01:53.308 --> 00:01:57.028 at the end of 15 if you if you're in some doubt some of the later questions are a 00:01:57.028 --> 00:02:02.488 lot more complex than these part partly because this is an education debate and 00:02:02.488 --> 00:02:17.136 there are no simple answers okay yeah so yes most of you are from London but we have a smattering from all over the place The East who knows what the East is Always slightly complicated 00:02:18.036 --> 00:02:23.276 Right, now, we're going to move to perhaps the more serious thing now, and question three. 00:02:24.496 --> 00:02:27.216 Again, now this is relatively simple. 00:02:29.756 --> 00:02:34.236 Externally set exams at age 16, the most reliable method of validating that a student is ready 00:02:34.236 --> 00:02:40.416 successfully to go on to study subjects at a specialized level straightforward 00:02:40.416 --> 00:02:47.976 agree strongly agree disagree or strongly disagree which should give us a kind of 00:02:47.976 --> 00:02:52.956 clue as to how people think of GCSEs which is slightly worrying for all of us 00:02:52.956 --> 00:03:02.616 in the audience obviously and then just to give you a little bit of advance notice 00:03:02.616 --> 00:03:11.176 the next one will be about whether 14 is better than 16 as a starting point to choose right so 00:03:11.176 --> 00:03:26.084 now that interesting isn it uh 47 of you um very positive on that um but not quite equally split but uh let let say at that point that GCSEs are marginally ahead of the game in this audience at 00:03:26.084 --> 00:03:29.504 this point now I'm just going to check and see whether we've got anything 00:03:29.504 --> 00:03:35.584 coming from outside at the moment not just yet that will come through in a 00:03:35.584 --> 00:03:42.345 moment we're gonna have to wait just a second as we accumulate all the all the 00:03:42.345 --> 00:03:47.584 evidence from outside the room we have instantly about 400 people so this may take a little more 00:03:47.584 --> 00:03:55.864 time than than than than your instant pressing of buttons I'll just preview the next one which 00:03:55.864 --> 00:04:02.024 is age 14 rather than age 16 is the better starting point for students to take courses 00:04:02.024 --> 00:04:05.924 leading them in different directions and of course if you don't believe they should go in different 00:04:05.924 --> 00:04:10.845 directions in the first place don't bother to press the button on that so that's strongly agree 00:04:10.845 --> 00:04:17.885 agree disagree strongly disagree is at the moment it is 16 should it be 14 there's a fair amount of 00:04:17.885 --> 00:04:21.844 data of people suggesting that it should be that. 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.960 It is, yes. We get on to the more complex ones later. 00:04:30.280 --> 00:04:31.960 At the moment, we're going to stay with simplistic 00:04:31.960 --> 00:04:37.380 and move on to the slightly more complex things after that. 00:04:43.980 --> 00:04:50.580 So we're still waiting for externally set exams 00:04:53.280 --> 00:04:54.460 from the outside. 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:00.720 And yes, as you point out, fairly simplistic with a reasonable split 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:06.140 with a small majority state going with agree. 00:05:06.840 --> 00:05:11.360 Now, to put thinking caps on, the next one is actually a lot more complicated. 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.500 If a national examination was to be introduced at age 14, 00:05:17.420 --> 00:05:19.860 whether internally or externally assessed, 00:05:20.080 --> 00:05:23.820 that's in a sense in relevance to this question, 00:05:23.820 --> 00:05:37.908 what would its primary what should its primary purpose be as a progress check for future study within within schools and colleges an assessment of subject knowledge and skills similar to GCSEs and IGCSEs 00:05:37.908 --> 00:05:42.828 currently at 16 and this is incidentally a question that somebody's actually sent 00:05:42.828 --> 00:05:49.068 in so I hope they're going to vote a selection for routes or they shouldn't 00:05:49.068 --> 00:05:54.168 be a national examination at age 14 00:05:57.408 --> 00:06:01.728 So if you'd like to vote on that. 00:06:06.388 --> 00:06:09.128 I have my money on there shouldn't be a national examination, 00:06:09.368 --> 00:06:10.888 but we'll see whether that happens. 00:06:23.048 --> 00:06:27.148 And not surprisingly, most people think they shouldn't be examined at all 00:06:27.148 --> 00:06:31.568 and the rest of the majority believe it should be a progress check. 00:06:31.988 --> 00:06:46.256 I don detect an enormous amount of support for rooted systems However that will come out in the debate again Now the next one question four is in fact possibly the most complicated question of all 00:06:46.896 --> 00:06:52.956 An educational system that allows students to opt for different routes, as in academic, 00:06:53.156 --> 00:06:57.056 technical, vocational, that's the sort of route we're talking about. And this is sort 00:06:57.056 --> 00:07:02.116 of a quasi-political question, because it is not only about whether you think we should 00:07:02.116 --> 00:07:08.356 have one but it's also about whether you think one would work in England so we've got a split here 00:07:08.356 --> 00:07:14.516 would work in England could be made to work in England given goodwill peek around the table and 00:07:14.516 --> 00:07:21.956 so on so forth would probably not work in England would never work in England or you could even put 00:07:21.956 --> 00:07:28.796 down I've never considered the question at all so give a little more time to that one because I 00:07:28.796 --> 00:07:33.136 that is not an off-the-cuff response I suspect 00:07:40.385 --> 00:07:57.004 let me just see if that wanders through now as I say this is a progress check this is just to 00:07:57.004 --> 00:08:01.745 check what you're thinking now before the debate I'm sure at the end of this the people we've 00:08:01.745 --> 00:08:08.944 invited to talk to us today will have convinced you to be completely different and at the end I'm 00:08:08.944 --> 00:08:13.185 going to actually have a look and see what the differences are and see if anybody's worked. 00:08:13.924 --> 00:08:16.584 So, well, that is very, very interesting. 00:08:17.065 --> 00:08:23.664 63% of you think it could work here, presumably given an enormous amount of hard work, commitment 00:08:23.664 --> 00:08:29.845 and operational decision making. 00:08:31.745 --> 00:08:36.345 A very small number of you seem to think it would work automatically without any effort. 00:08:36.345 --> 00:08:38.944 but it is interesting 00:08:38.944 --> 00:08:41.945 only 3% of you think that a rooted system 00:08:41.945 --> 00:08:43.165 would never work here 00:08:43.165 --> 00:08:45.685 I was actually expecting that to be significantly higher 00:08:45.685 --> 00:08:48.264 but that'll be interesting 00:08:48.264 --> 00:08:51.105 we'll see what happens as we go into the debate